Comments on: From Springville to Fayette http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/ "Mann trakht und Gott lakht" Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:01:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Dan Bartholomew http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/comment-page-1/#comment-3559 Dan Bartholomew Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:06:05 +0000 http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/#comment-3559 Dan Bartholomew is my full name. Not Daniel. It was Orson Hyde who had Joseph Bartholomew reinstated in the Church. From a biography by Joseph's grandson George Marston Jr. it reads: "Orson Hyde hd our grandfather reinstated in the Church. Some time after grandfather had his rock house built in Fayeette it was considered the best house in town. Bishop Johnson who had mistreated grandfaher had a wife in Gunnsion and was returning from there to Springville when night overtook him in Fayette. He inquired for a place to stop and was directed to Bartholomews. It was dark , the boys put up his team and when he came to the house and found himself in the presence of the Bartholomews he was very much embarrassed, The biography of Aaron Johnson was written by Alan P. Johnson, a descendant of Aaron Johnson. The only reference I could find in the book reads on page 576: "The attempt of Abraham Durfee and Jos. Bartholomew to turn states evidence had so far resulted in their being mistreated more than the other prisoners. They were also taken in charge by the troops and marched to Camp Floyd." I hope this answers your questions. Dan Bartholomew is my full name. Not Daniel. It was Orson Hyde who had Joseph Bartholomew reinstated in the Church. From a biography by Joseph’s grandson George Marston Jr. it reads: “Orson Hyde hd our grandfather reinstated in the Church. Some time after grandfather had his rock house built in Fayeette it was considered the best house in town. Bishop Johnson who had mistreated grandfaher had a wife in Gunnsion and was returning from there to Springville when night overtook him in Fayette. He inquired for a place to stop and was directed to Bartholomews. It was dark , the boys put up his team and when he came to the house and found himself in the presence of the Bartholomews he was very much embarrassed, The biography of Aaron Johnson was written by Alan P. Johnson, a descendant of Aaron Johnson. The only reference I could find in the book reads on page 576: “The attempt of Abraham Durfee and Jos. Bartholomew to turn states evidence had so far resulted in their being mistreated more than the other prisoners. They were also taken in charge by the troops and marched to Camp Floyd.” I hope this answers your questions.

]]> By: Daniel B. http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/comment-page-1/#comment-3558 Daniel B. Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:01:56 +0000 http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/#comment-3558 [Note to readers, though we are distantly related, the Dan Bartholomew comment I am responding to here is not myself or my father, though we share the same name. I only write this note to clarify this, since it could be confusing.] Dan, thank you for visiting my blog and leaving a comment. I would certainly be interested in learning the name of the general authority who reinstated Joseph's full church privileges. I heard somewhere that someone wrote a biography of Bishop Aaron Johnson and am curious if this issue is addressed at all in the biography or if our ancestor is described in the book. I have to say that this story has ignited my interest in my own genealogy. I had only learned about this story this year. [Note to readers, though we are distantly related, the Dan Bartholomew comment I am responding to here is not myself or my father, though we share the same name. I only write this note to clarify this, since it could be confusing.]

Dan, thank you for visiting my blog and leaving a comment. I would certainly be interested in learning the name of the general authority who reinstated Joseph’s full church privileges. I heard somewhere that someone wrote a biography of Bishop Aaron Johnson and am curious if this issue is addressed at all in the biography or if our ancestor is described in the book. I have to say that this story has ignited my interest in my own genealogy. I had only learned about this story this year.

]]> By: Dan Bartholomew http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/comment-page-1/#comment-3557 Dan Bartholomew Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:11:25 +0000 http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/#comment-3557 Joseph of Fayette whose son George Marston married Salena Roper daughter of Charlotte Elizabeth Mellor Roper. George Marston and Salena lived their whole married life in Fayette and are buried in the Fayette cemetery. Their two sons, George Marston Jr and Floyd (my father) moved to Springville in the early days of the depression. Joseph was disfellowshiped from the church by Aaron Johnson. It was a general authority(a friend of Joseph's) who reinstated him. I would have to look at my research to recall which authority. In one of my books there is an article which identifies just where Hog Wallow was. Three families left Warm Springs leaving only the Bartholomews and Mellors. The Metcalf came later and built a flour mill. Their dugout was located just to the northwest of George Marston and Salena's home. Joseph of Fayette whose son George Marston married Salena Roper daughter of Charlotte Elizabeth Mellor Roper. George Marston and Salena lived their whole married life in Fayette and are buried in the Fayette cemetery. Their two sons, George Marston Jr and Floyd (my father) moved to Springville in the early days of the depression. Joseph was disfellowshiped from the church by Aaron Johnson. It was a general authority(a friend of Joseph’s) who reinstated him. I would have to look at my research to recall which authority. In one of my books there is an article which identifies just where Hog Wallow was. Three families left Warm Springs leaving only the Bartholomews and Mellors. The Metcalf came later and built a flour mill. Their dugout was located just to the northwest of George Marston and Salena’s home.

]]> By: DadPa http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/comment-page-1/#comment-3556 DadPa Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:02:37 +0000 http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/#comment-3556 Apparently, Joseph Smith Sr and his family felt that the church was greater than Bishop Johnson. I can't remember whether Brigham Young undid the excommunication or whether it was just ignored, especially after the move and a fresh start. As the next generation matured, one of Joseph Sr's sons, George Marston Bartholomew (as I recall) moved with his family back to the Springville area. Apparently, Joseph Smith Sr and his family felt that the church was greater than Bishop Johnson. I can’t remember whether Brigham Young undid the excommunication or whether it was just ignored, especially after the move and a fresh start. As the next generation matured, one of Joseph Sr’s sons, George Marston Bartholomew (as I recall) moved with his family back to the Springville area.

]]> By: DadPa http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/comment-page-1/#comment-3555 DadPa Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:58:13 +0000 http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/#comment-3555 Joseph Bartholomew Sr. and all his family moved, along with the Mellor and Metcalfe families and one other, I believe (at the instance of Brigham Young, according to some accounts--Joseph Sr. was glad to volunteer for the move and to leave Springville) to Warm Springs--eventually Fayette, near Gunnison, Utah These families were soon forced to move into a fort in or near Gunnison because of the "Blackhawk Indian War," which flared up at this time and continued for a year or two. This fort and/or part of the Gunnison area was actually referred to as "Hog Wallow." After the Indian conflict subsided, the families moved back and continued building, plowing, and pioneering in Fayette. Two of the families eventually moved elsewhere, but the Mellors and Bartholomews remained and became much intermarried in subsequent generations. Joseph Bartholomew Sr. and all his family moved, along with the Mellor and Metcalfe families and one other, I believe (at the instance of Brigham Young, according to some accounts–Joseph Sr. was glad to volunteer for the move and to leave Springville) to Warm Springs–eventually Fayette, near Gunnison, Utah These families were soon forced to move into a fort in or near Gunnison because of the “Blackhawk Indian War,” which flared up at this time and continued for a year or two. This fort and/or part of the Gunnison area was actually referred to as “Hog Wallow.” After the Indian conflict subsided, the families moved back and continued building, plowing, and pioneering in Fayette. Two of the families eventually moved elsewhere, but the Mellors and Bartholomews remained and became much intermarried in subsequent generations.

]]> By: DadPa http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/comment-page-1/#comment-3554 DadPa Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:47:35 +0000 http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/#comment-3554 Sir, I think your memory of you great-grandmother not cooking on Sunday is not quite correct. It seems to me she did cook on Sunday, and this was never any kind of an issue. In fact, when I was staying w them (Grps Ray & Martha) for a time during one of my boyhood summers, she acceded to my reqest to make fudge togther. Yumm! DadPa Sir,

I think your memory of you great-grandmother not cooking on Sunday is not quite correct. It seems to me she did cook on Sunday, and this was never any kind of an issue. In fact, when I was staying w them (Grps Ray & Martha) for a time during one of my boyhood summers, she acceded to my reqest to make fudge togther. Yumm!

DadPa

]]> By: Daniel B. http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/comment-page-1/#comment-3553 Daniel B. Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:59:39 +0000 http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/#comment-3553 Flo, I'm sorry for the delay in posting your comments (and those of others). Due to spam attacks I have made it so that all comments go through comment moderation. I have gained a copy of Dan Bartholomew's research. I have been meaning to post some quotes from that research ... I just haven't gotten around to it yet. I should add that though my name and my father's name are also Dan Bartholomew, neither of us is the Dan Bartholomew who put this research together. Flo, I’m sorry for the delay in posting your comments (and those of others). Due to spam attacks I have made it so that all comments go through comment moderation.

I have gained a copy of Dan Bartholomew’s research. I have been meaning to post some quotes from that research … I just haven’t gotten around to it yet. I should add that though my name and my father’s name are also Dan Bartholomew, neither of us is the Dan Bartholomew who put this research together.

]]> By: Flo Moscon http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/comment-page-1/#comment-3552 Flo Moscon Tue, 05 Sep 2006 06:09:42 +0000 http://blognitivedissonance.com/2006/07/07/from-springville-to-fayette/#comment-3552 The murders were the Parrish-Potter murders which occurred March 19, 1857 in Springville. I have copies of the research done by Dan Bartholomew - if you want copies please email me. The murders were the Parrish-Potter murders which occurred March 19, 1857 in Springville. I have copies of the research done by Dan Bartholomew - if you want copies please email me.

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